tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post1993691494765736891..comments2024-03-14T12:06:13.918+10:30Comments on d r i n k s t e r: ETHANOL PEDDLING AT TOP EFFICIENCYUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-11984514647372735892010-12-30T10:10:53.347+10:302010-12-30T10:10:53.347+10:30Most folks do not get to know themselves lol Many ...Most folks do not get to know themselves lol Many sleepwalk while awake.Trevornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-50818312745317816382010-12-30T10:09:58.014+10:302010-12-30T10:09:58.014+10:30That's right...people have to solve their own....That's right...people have to solve their own. I agree with you and Susan...we have to operate 'outside the circle' and whilever we each believe we can contribute to a series of solutions, that will be where the focus goes...and I like you, have no idea what it's like to be anyone else but me...Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-67759495971076850332010-12-30T10:08:52.667+10:302010-12-30T10:08:52.667+10:30Alcoholism is colour blind ... Solving other folks...Alcoholism is colour blind ... Solving other folks problems cant be done, they need help from a network locally and have to want to change. This is not a moral issue it is an illness as I stated earlier. All I am saying is that the current model ain't working based on the info on your blog. As for human rights well an overhall is needed and that is sadly a big task but I do not think it is Trevornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-8156437986478199472010-12-30T10:07:20.795+10:302010-12-30T10:07:20.795+10:30The original owners of this land ain't the onl...The original owners of this land ain't the only ones with an alcoholism problem. Just go to King Street on a Saturday Night.<br /> <br />Taking this moral high ground is how the intervention has been justified and doing exactly what Gerry Gambill's point 3. says:<br />"Make them believe that things are being done for their own good."Kathleennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-1386937765209097752010-12-30T10:05:48.761+10:302010-12-30T10:05:48.761+10:30People cant be encouraged to change they need to b...People cant be encouraged to change they need to be desperate this is what many do not understand. To do a 180 degree turn to recover from alcoholism or drug addiction is not an easy thing and it only works for the willing. It has to begin with a surrender of "Ok I have lost the war" but then folks need to be given a plan of action in order to stay stopped for good. Sadly most rehabs Trevornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-88297252484572759102010-12-30T10:04:28.822+10:302010-12-30T10:04:28.822+10:30I agree Trevor...that's why if people can be e...I agree Trevor...that's why if people can be encouraged to undertake some rehab. programs, they regain the power to choose...because they regain the power within...Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-80585232702288951442010-12-30T09:58:35.944+10:302010-12-30T09:58:35.944+10:30Re: "It's about personal choice...people ...Re: "It's about personal choice...people have to choose not to drink or limit their intake...you can't legislate morality!!!" - Phil, real alkies have lost the power of choice. Alcoholism is an illness not a moral issue.Trevornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-49382281214306345902010-12-30T09:56:36.501+10:302010-12-30T09:56:36.501+10:30Hogarth did a painting of a woman sitting on steps...Hogarth did a painting of a woman sitting on steps beside a river. Her head was tipped back, taking a slug from a bottle. Held by one leg a baby dangles, almost touching the water. In 1700 the annual consumption of Gin was in England was estimated at 500,000 GALLONS. 35 years later it was 11 MILLION GALLONS, 2 million gallons more than in 1981.Gin was cheap and while beer and cider could only be Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-82531261977747923412010-12-30T09:54:38.570+10:302010-12-30T09:54:38.570+10:30That's what I mean (the NTER)...people reject ...That's what I mean (the NTER)...people reject it because it's imposed not chosen...the 'model' of personal and social empowerment lies within each individual...likewsie it has to be chosen not imposed...philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-7711281469852337702010-12-30T09:53:28.819+10:302010-12-30T09:53:28.819+10:30It's done every day, moral legislation that is...It's done every day, moral legislation that is. What do you think the NT Intervention is? For me the question is what is the model of personal and social empowerment to be used to address the imbalance?peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-59537615714819043792010-12-30T09:52:14.635+10:302010-12-30T09:52:14.635+10:30Prohibition does not work...just look at NYC durin...Prohibition does not work...just look at NYC during the 1920's...we ended up with gansters and mobs...the more you try to restirict supply; the more 'frantic' people will be to get it. It's about personal choice...people have to choose not to drink or limit their intake...you can't legislate morality!!!Philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-50031223109600938572010-12-30T09:35:01.649+10:302010-12-30T09:35:01.649+10:30Rehabs are expensive and do not offer a long term ...Rehabs are expensive and do not offer a long term solution. The other problem is real Alcoholism as opposed to heavy drinking. Heavy drinkers can stop or moderate. Real Alkies will find a way to get booze under all circumstances. Changing pub hours on the Todd and regulating who gets served in the bottle shops will probably help in areas of alcohol fuelled violence, but removing grog from an Trevornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-20285536869570658842010-12-30T09:33:07.180+10:302010-12-30T09:33:07.180+10:30We have to work together towards eliminating white...We have to work together towards eliminating whitefella paternalism and blakfella organisations that perpetuate the problem...people who are paid inordinate salaries while their people continue to exist in 4th world conditions. Bit like why is the catholic church the wealthiest organisation on the planet yet people around it continue to live in poverty??? It's all about corruption...from the philnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-69394990341523246802010-12-27T17:23:34.189+10:302010-12-27T17:23:34.189+10:30So you bastard you can go and drink gin and tonic ...So you bastard you can go and drink gin and tonic on the island the Baumbers took off us and write it like a white joke.ownernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-37599796218638468932010-12-26T11:10:43.172+10:302010-12-26T11:10:43.172+10:30I agree with your thesis in an earlier post: as wi...I agree with your thesis in an earlier post: as with other drugs, the manufacturers, traffickers and peddlers should be the ones expected to pay for this destruction. If they were sent an invoice to sort this, they would HAVE to reconsider their mode of practice, non?jean-pierre d-bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-51008066102504568042010-12-24T14:18:07.945+10:302010-12-24T14:18:07.945+10:30white by name white by naturqwhite by name white by naturqyou'd never understandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448643844792799086.post-37597336907127442412010-12-24T11:56:34.073+10:302010-12-24T11:56:34.073+10:30This is the problem: we have a thing in this town ...This is the problem: we have a thing in this town which half the population abuse, which often causes them death and causes the deaths of others. But the thing is legal and the basic premise of our society is that we all know abusing this thing is hazardous, but adults are supposed to be responsable for themselves. <br /><br />How do you fix it? Remove access from the entire town, responsable andAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com